Change Your Thoughts - Change Your Life

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Hay House Radio with Diane Ray

73min

0:00:01 - Nadia

Today marks the launch of a brand new season on the Change Your Thoughts - Change Your Life podcast. I hope you all have had a wonderful summer. You might have noticed the show started a little bit different this time, and that leads me to my big announcement. I have just joined the MindBodySpirit.fm podcast network and I couldn't be more pleased. Diane Ray co-founded this network and that is who you get to hear from today. You'll recognize her voice from Dr. Wayne Dyer's radio show, which also lives on in podcast form. She was Wayne Dyer's on-air co-host, producer, and the network manager for Hay House Radio. I'm so excited to be working with her, as I'm a big fan. We have an exciting season planned for you, with fresh new episodes coming out every other Sunday. 

In this week's episode, we chat about Diane Ray's background in radio, including how she joined Hay House and what it was like to work with Dr Wayne Dyer. She shares her motivation for starting the podcast network and what she loves so much about this medium. I think you're gonna love hearing her stories as much as I did. I want to give a big thanks to all the loyal fans coming back for the new season and a warm welcome to anyone who is just discovering the podcast. Thank you so much for listening. 

Welcome to the Change your Thoughts - Change Your Life podcast. I'm your host, Nadia Delacruz, founder of the Wayne Dyer Wisdom Community. You'll recognize my guest today as the unforgettable voice from Dr. Wayne Dyer's radio show. She has an impressive career in radio broadcasting, including 11 years as the network manager and program director for Hay House Radio. She was the on-air co-host and producer for Dr. Wayne Dyer's weekly show for eight years, until his passing in 2015. She is also co-founder of the mindbodyspirit.fm podcast network and we've got a big announcement for you today. Diane Ray, thank you so much for joining me today. 

0:02:34 - Diane Ray

Well, thank you for having me, Nadia. This is so fun to be on the other end of the interview for a change. 

0:02:43 - Nadia

Yes, I know how that feels because I'm usually talking to other people. It feels a lot different from the other side. 

But I'm so happy that we're taking the time to sit down and do this today. I have a million questions for you but I'm gonna scale it back because you know we could talk for hours. All your years with Wayne, like I just want to pick your brain, but yeah, your voice will forever be connected in my heart and mind with Dr Wayne Dyer. From the show that you did together, it was clear that he had so much love and respect for you and it always sounded like you had an awesome time working together. 

0:03:23 - Diane Ray

We did. I was very lucky that that all kind of happened and working with him was really amazing. I mean, I really looked forward to Mondays. That was my favorite day and he was just, you know, so fun, very loving, very real, authentic. And for someone who really didn't have to do what he did, I mean he still would sell a ton of books, but he really loved the radio show because it gave him that connection with people. 

And I remember when we first started doing the show and we kind of tried to have a theme for every show and we would pull chapters from his current books and things like that, and finally he just said you know, I don't want to tie anything to a book. He goes, I just want to talk to people and just kind of riff off the top of my head. Okay, we'll do it how ever you want to do it, you know? And so I never knew what he would want to talk about. So sometimes he would start off, you know, funny, or you know, what did you do today? And I would always get such a kick out of it because he would be in Maui and I was here in San Diego. I'd get on with him, you know, a minute or so before he would start taking calls. So I'd say, so, Wayne, you know what's up, what are you doing? And he would say, yeah, I just got out of the water, I was swimming with the turtles at Ka'anapali Bay; this idyllic life. I thought, wow, you've got it made! And I would tease him and I'd say, oh, you're the hardest-working man in showbiz. 

And because he really did work hard and he was always looking at the next thing, the next thing, and, and even right before he passed, which was so shocking, because that week prior, before he went to New Zealand, which was his last trip, and he was staying at La Costa, which was right near where the Hay House mothership, I called it, the Hay House offices were. So I picked him up at La Costa because he wanted to do the show and you know, again, he didn't have to do it that day because he was traveling. He said, no, I want to do it. So I was talking to him when I said, wow, you know, you just, you're working all the time, hardest-working man in showbiz. 

And he said you know, I really love it, but I really want to scale back. He goes, I really want to do more online courses and not travel so much. But he was really looking forward to that last trip, which was New Zealand and Australia, because he hadn't been there in a long time. So we talked about that, but he, he was still excited, like he still was, you know, working on another book, and he was always talking about doing the next thing, the next thing. I mean he did want to change the way he did it. He really wanted to slow down a little bit and not travel as much, but he did. That's why he loved the radio show, because he felt that he could reach so many people at one time. 

And then just that Monday or over the weekend, you know, people started texting me and I saw things on Facebook and I thought you know what was going on. And then we found out you know what had happened and that he had passed that weekend. And then Monday, I had to do the show. Actually, I didn't have to do the show, but I wanted to do it because I wanted people to have an outlet, because it was so shocking. I was just numb, I thought how can this be? He was just here and I remember going in that Monday and I said to Reid. 

I still want to do the show, just like I normally would today, and I just let people call in and the phone lines jammed. People called in and, you know, some people cried and I just said, let's share stories about Wayne. You know, let's talk about what he meant to you, what books you like the best, and I said, okay, I'll start. He was probably one of the smartest people I've ever met in my life. He could pull quotes out of the air. He read everything. And I said I learned something every time I listened to him and I would just sit and listen. 

0:07:10 - Nadia

He was such a scholar. We really underestimate, I think, how brilliant he was at deciphering these ancient texts and bringing them to us in a way that was reaching people in a usable format. He liked to break it down into the steps and here's what you need to know. I feel like he was just on this quest of learning what worked for him and sharing it with all of us. Still, it's a very understandable.

0:07:41 - Diane Ray

He was, he could, in an understandable way, very esoteric things. I mean, the stuff he read would you know, blow your head off. You try to read it. 

0:07:53 - Nadia

I've tried reading some of it, so yes, I agree with you. 

0:07:57 - Diane Ray

Yeah, it's not the easiest texts or things to read and understand and digest and he would be able to share it with us in a very easy to understand way and I think that's why so many people just loved his teachings and resonated with him and it wasn't accidental either. 

0:08:18 - Nadia

It was so intentional. You know, when he was in college, studying humanistic psychology, and he was discovering all these things about the potential of human beings. You know, studying Maslow and Carl Jung and all of this and he was going, man, this could help people. Like, everybody should know this. We shouldn't just have this within the walls of academia. And when he first got a publishing deal, you know his publisher wanted him to sound more scholarly and more academic. So, he actually fought for reaching people in a conversational tone and that's one of the things that I love about him so much. 

I discovered him when I was a teenager, so he reached me at a young age and it started on PBS. Like so many people, I saw him on his PBS shows and something about him just drew me in. It has literally changed my life because I've had these concepts that I didn't get from anywhere else, that I got from Wayne, but they didn't start from him. You know he got them from all these sources and he brought them forward to us in a way that was so easy and he led me to other teachers and other ideas. I think it really the potential of my life. It just felt like the ceiling came off and like anything is possible, and nobody else was telling me that. I wasn't hearing that. It's not that nobody else was saying it, but I wasn't hearing that from anywhere else, so he was really the one that opened the door for me. 

0:09:53 - Diane Ray

And he was able to reach you. That that's so great. That's funny. I mean I remember seeing him on the Tonight Show, you know, when I was younger and I was aware of of who he was, but it wasn't until I started, you know, working at Hay House and working with him and, just like you were saying, through Wayne, I read autobiography of a yogi and Ramana Maharshi and all these great Indian sages and really got way deep into Ram Dass and read all of his stuff. So he really did open the door to a lot of those teachings because he was so passionate about it. 

0:10:31 - Nadia

Yeah, Ram Dass. 

0:10:36 - Diane Ray

Yeah, we can talk about that. I love Ram Dass, and Ram Dass kind of came into my life almost by accident. How a lot of books will sometimes fall on you, and this one literally did. I was in a bookstore around the time my father was going through Alzheimer's and the end was coming and Ram Dass' book kind of came into my consciousness and it was called Still Here: embracing, aging, changing and dying. And I thought, okay, I need to read this. 

Didn't really know who Ram Dass was, so I kind of read things backwards. So that was the first book I read. Then I read Be Here Now and then I read everything else, because everything he said in Still Here just got me through what was happening with my father and I looked at the end of life in a much different way after that. So it was very healing to to read that and he just became such a great teacher for me. And then I finally got to meet him in 2013 when I went to Maui with my husband and through Alan Coen, another Hay House author, who's a wonderful person and friend, and was able to initiate that meeting. 

And then funny thing was my husband had read Ram Dass, like back in the 70s, and I knew I said, when we're going to Hawaii, I go, we're gonna meet him. I said we're gonna meet Ram Dass, he goes. Oh no, we're not, like it's not gonna happen and I said yes, it is, it's gonna happen. 

I go, I know it, I feel it, we're gonna do it. And we were able to spend, you know, a little time with with him at his house in Maui and talk with him, and I'm like I can't believe I'm sitting here talking to Ram Dass and I remember asking him I said can we meditate together, would that be okay? He goes oh yeah, that would be, that would be beautiful. And so we just kind of sat there for a few minutes and I closed my eyes and at first I'm thinking, oh, my god, I can't believe I'm sitting here with Ram Dass, we're meditating. This is so cool. 

And then I just kind of wanted, I wanted my brain to just kind of absorb it and I remember just breathing and just trying to be quiet and I heard like his cat was eating dry food in the kitchen and I heard the cat and I heard like hummingbirds outside, like everything was kind of heightened. It was. It was really a beautiful experience and we talked and we brought him a pie and just a beautiful man is wonderful, wonderful person and it was crazy because that day that I was there visiting him, he had, like these different teachers kind of wandering through the house, like I don't know if you've ever heard of another author named Lama Surya Das. He wrote Awakening the Buddha within. He was there. So he, he kind of wanders in oh hi, how are you? Oh, I want you to, you know, visit with Ram Dass and enjoy your time. Like what is this? Like these, like amazing teachers are just kind of walking around here, like it's just a meeting place. 

0:13:20 - Nadia

It was a very cool experience, but I'll never forget yeah, I talked to Dasima on the podcast a couple of months ago. 

Yeah, she was there, I met her yeah, she was the primary caretaker for like 15 years and so you know, she was the one making sure that he had everything he needed and people weren't wearing him out too much and he would wave her away because he wanted to keep talking, you know. But I mean the people that he was such a magnet like, the people that would just come in and out of that space and the community that he was building, I mean it. It started in that's well, in the 60s at least, you know, and then it continued all the way through his life and I feel like his teachings are still bringing people together. I was at that house in September and I was totally not expecting to be there. 

I went on a family trip to Maui. I hadn't been to the island in nine years. It was my first time back since Wayne had passed. I had booked the flight based on the day that this one cottage was available where we really wanted to stay, and then, when I was packing for the trip, I was like August 30th why does that date seem so familiar? And then I realized we were flying back to Maui on the anniversary of Wayne's death for the first time. Wow me coming back since, since he had passed. And then we stay in this cottage and I set up. 

I have this photo of Wayne Dyer and Rom Doss. I'm looking for it's out of reach, a Wayne Dyer, rom Doss and I set up like sacred space. I'm meditating and then, you know, I realized, wait, I think Rom Doss's house was on this part of the island because we were on the northern part. Usually I stay on the west side, over in Ka'anapali and and I look it up, I'm like yeah, I think his house is just like a mile or two from here, is just a couple minutes away. But you know, last I heard they were closed because of all the pandemic stuff and everything. 

So I asked the owner of the house the next day, because the cottage we're renting is on a property right and the main house, and the guy comes over and he had said he's like this old hippie dude or whatever. And I was like, oh, um, do you know Rom Doss? And he's like, yeah, I know Ram Dass. I was like, oh, I think his house is near here. He's like, yeah, I was friends with Ram Dass. I was like you were friends with Ram Dass. He's like, yeah, for 50 years, for 50 years. He's like, oh yeah, we went to India together. I almost passed out, wow. 

So he arranged. He arranged for us to go visit a Hanuman Maui which is Ram Dass' home, and oh, like it was just such an incredible experience to meet the people there and be in that space and they preserved his office, like the way that he left it, and so much of his puja table and everything, and I was just soaking it all in. It was so amazing. But yeah, I mean the synchronicities that came together for that to happen. The one place we wanted to stay on the island was this cottage. I don't know why there's so many beautiful places on Maui, but both my husband and I, when we were looking, there's only one place we wanted to stay and so we booked our trip based off of that, which happened to be the anniversary of Wayne's death, which happened to be the home of a good friend of Ram Dass, and very synchronicity. 

Oh my gosh, it was so beautiful. 

And so the last time that I had. So I went to Maui in 2007. And I went there for Wayne's first conference on Maui. So that's when he said you know what, why don't you guys come to me and I'm going to hold a conference here? And then, after we did that, he's like I think maybe I'm going to make this an annual thing and I never made it back to that one. But that year Ram Dass was also there as a guest and that's when I met him and I had heard of Ram Dass but didn't know a whole lot. So I met him and so, like there's just this heart connection with him. There's something that just it's like the energy transcends my brain. Wayne gets me through my brain and then he reaches my heart. But it's like Ram Dass reaches my heart and then it gets to my brain. 

0:17:37 - Diane Ray

You, know that's so interesting, that's true. And then you once, and then, once you start reading, you know his teachings and kind of start absorbing it. You're going to want to read everything you know you'll just go from one book to the next, and just some so many amazing lessons that I try to, I try to remember. 

0:17:59 - Nadia

Did you see Wayne in Maui, because I know you guys recorded remotely, so you were based out of California, but did did you go up to the island? I know you said the trip in 2013. Yeah, in 2013,. 

0:18:13 - Diane Ray

I did try to connect with him and I left him a message. I said hey, you know, I'm hearing, I'm here in Maui, if we can connect, and I was only there for, you know, a few days. So I wasn't able to connect with him in Maui, unfortunately. Oh I don't know, I don't know what he was doing. He was busy or something. Wayne did get to connect with Ram Dass. That's okay. I forgave him. You know he's probably hanging his head right now. 

0:18:42 - Nadia

Yeah, shoulda, woulda, coulda. 

0:18:44 - Diane Ray

Yeah, no, I mean. 

0:18:46 - Nadia

I guess that's that's what needed to happen. You were, you got to have that incredible meeting with with Ram Dass and have that experience, and I mean you were already so connected with Wayne, right? 

0:18:57 - Diane Ray

So this was the one that needed to happen when you were there. That one definitely needed to happen. And yeah, just he, such an amazing teacher and has touched so many lives and I can't tell you how. Every once in a while I'll still get a random email that someone will find me, either through social media or something. And people still listen to all those old shows. 

So, like like you said in the beginning, you know, they still kind of live on and I love it when someone says because I would always just sit back and listen to him, interact with the callers and I tried not to be intrusive or, you know, jump in and sometimes he would say you know, you can ask a question if you want, and I'm like, well, I just like to listen to you, I don't want to ask anything, and people would call with all the different you know questions and problems, and but someone would say you know, Wayne told me to write that book, or he told me to do that thing and I just want to let you know I did it and here it is, you know, and they'll send a picture of the book or whatever they did and I love that. 

0:19:57 - Nadia

I love that. 

0:19:58 - Diane Ray

I love that. You know the ripples, the ripples are still go, still going out there, even though it's been you know what, seven, seven years, five years, oh gosh. 

0:20:10 - Nadia

I don't know. Time goes by so quickly. It's almost eight years it will be by the time this airs. We're almost there. 

0:20:21 - Diane Ray

And I know that he would be happy that things are still. Things are still rippling, because he really did love people and he really wanted people to, you know, not die with their music still in them, and that's I think he would be really happy to know that that people are doing that what they really wanted to do. 

0:20:41 - Nadia

Were you familiar with Dr. Dyer before you, before you joined Hay House? Were you, had you always been into spirituality? 

0:20:50 - Diane Ray

You know I have. I was brought up in a Catholic family. You know as my father took us to church every Sunday and I I love the ritual. You know I loved lighting the candles. You know I loved all of that and so I always had an interest in spirituality and I would always ask questions. And you know something, the nuns sometimes didn't like a lot of the questions, but I was always very curious, you know, like the father, son and the Holy Ghost. Well, what's that? You know what's the Holy Ghost? What did they do? Just so I think I was always interested in that. 

There's one prayer, I believe it's called the Nicene Creed, where one of the lines is I believe in God. I forget, talk about a bad, bad Catholic person. But there's a line that says, in all that is seen and unseen, and like God controls, god is all of that is the scene and the unseen. But I was always interested in the unseen. What does that mean? So you know everything like paranormal. And then I started getting into yoga and I love that feeling of connection in your body that you get with yoga. So I always had an interest. So I was definitely a kid in a candy store when I was able to get to Hay House and I remember seeing the ad. 

My background's in radio, I'm an old radio DJ and so that's what I did for years. And I was working in San Diego at KPBS, which at the time I thought was like the end of the line for DJs, because I had worked at rock stations where it was more of like this, not theatrical, but more entertainment, you know. And then here I was at PBS and I was just reading the funders. You know, support for KPBS comes from listeners like you and the blah blah blah foundation, you know, and I would read that in between the NPR stories and things like that. 

And so I would look for another job while I was doing that and I remember seeing an ad it said Hay House radio producer. And I was familiar with Louise Hay because I had the self help section of books at home. You know all of that stuff. So that's kind of how that started. And then I just I went there and, you know, begged for the job and I was lucky enough to get the job because it was just right at the beginning of Hay House radio launching and I worked closely with Summer Ms McStravick, who's become a great teacher in her own right and she's writing books and doing her thing, and so we, you know, both kind of built, built that up and it just kind of grew from there. 

0:23:32 - Nadia

The whole Hay House family is magic really, I mean, and especially when Louise was alive and it just it felt like I could turn to Hay House and there was always going to be something good, there was always going to be something new. There was always going to be someone to inspire me. Actually, one of my influences, Kyle Gray, I discovered because of Hay House radio. 

I was listening to Hay House radio in my car on the way home one day and there was I think it was a clip I'm not even sure if it was a full episode of Kyle Gray with this Scottish accent, and he was talking about how, when he prays to angels, he says thank you. So he would say, instead of saying, oh, please, give me this or please, can you do that for me, it would say, you know, thank you, angels, for helping me get home safely, or thank you for the blessings in my life. And I was like, wow, that really clicked for me. And then I've been following him ever, ever since, and so, yeah, there's a lot of people that I discovered because of Hay House, but him specifically. I hadn't heard anything until Hay House radio. 

0:24:46 - Diane Ray

Yeah, he did the Angel Club, the Angel Club show, and I remember when he first came there he was so young, you know he had this baby face. 

0:24:54 - Nadia

Yes, he was. 

0:24:57 - Diane Ray

So cute, you know, and now he's like become, you know, more of like a hunky guy. I mean that was 10, over a decade ago, but he had incredible talent and connection, even you know way back then, and it's just become he's become such a great teacher in his own right. It was pretty. 

That time was when Louise was still around. It was really magical and she did have an amazing energy and sometimes she could be scary and sometimes she could be loving and you know she would come in the office and everybody, everybody would straighten up. You know, here she is Okay, but she was so beautiful and loving and wonderful and she loved what was happening with Hay House radio and she really enjoyed it and she especially would love she'd come in and I'm like, oh, look, there's a show on it, look at all the callers. And she would get such a kick out of that because you could, you know you would see on the board, oh, someone's calling from, you know, Norway or whatever. And you know she got a really a really big kick out of that because it seemed like we were touching people all over the world. 

Yeah, it was wonderful, she was still so vibrant for a long time and I believe gosh, she passed away at 92. So she had such an incredible life and legacy. 

0:26:18 - Nadia

Yeah and not an easy like which is, yeah, which is part of what makes her story so interesting. I remember when, doctor, because I've been following him since the 90s I remember when Dr Wayne Dyer announced that he was joining this great publishing company called Hay House with this lovely woman, Louise Hay right and a lot of people didn't discover him until much later, I guess, but I remember that announced when I was like, oh, Louise, oh, who's that right? So that was the first I heard about it. So he actually brought me into Hay House right instead of the other way around. But I know he was happy to be there and I mean Louise Hay had impacted so many people with her perspective on healing. Really. 

0:27:01 - Diane Ray

She did, and I wasn't as familiar with her when I first got there, and then I remember seeing the documentary film Doors Opening about all the work she did during the AIDS crisis in the 80s. 

0:27:13 - Nadia

Yeah. 

0:27:13 - Diane Ray

And just the work she did growing, yeah, growing that from just a few people in her house to speaking at, you know, big gymnasiums, and then it just grew and grew and grew and she was the first person to just hug people and not turn away from people during that time. And I do remember what was going on in the 80s. I mean it was a scary time. People were dying and, you know, being demonized, especially gay people, and she just loved all of them and said we're not going to do that, we're not going to say, oh, she'd say we're not going to play. Ain't it Awful? We're going to. You know, we're going to love each other. 

And yeah, she was. She was just beautiful. If anyone has a chance to see that I don't know where you'd find that film Doors Opening maybe on Netflix or some streaming service has it. But the guy that the guy that directed it also did Colin Higgins and he did the film Harold and Maude. He was a big director back in the 70s and he did this film with her because he felt so strongly about what she was doing. 

0:28:14 - Nadia

She was really a trail blazer. 

0:28:20 - Diane Ray

You have to see it, you'll cry. There's some touching things in there. You know where people that were just kicked out of their homes and turned away by their families because of who they were. And she will hold up a mirror and remember one scene. She holds up a mirror in front of this young man and she's like it starts right here you need to love yourself, you know. Look in this mirror and say I love you and he just just crying and crying and it was pretty intense. And since then, you know, mirror work has become or was one of her teachings for many years and I remember trying people make fun of it sometimes with the Stuart Smalley, you know, from Saturday Night Live oh, I love myself and I'm great and people love me and you do feel silly at first doing that, but it really is powerful to look into your own eyes and say that you love yourself. It seems silly, but it's a really powerful thing to do. 

0:29:20 - Nadia

Yeah the way that we see ourselves and the relationship that we have with ourselves is often the most toxic right, and it's the one that determines everything, because we talk to ourselves without a filter and in horrible ways and critical ways that we wouldn't speak to someone that we love or even like, but we get in these habits of doing that to ourselves. So, yeah, I've tried the mirror work too, and it's uncomfortable to sort of start that process, but you can feel it's like something opens when you drop the judgment of yourself, which again is something that Ram Dass talked about so much. You know just that heart opening, the loving I am loving awareness and embodying that and it has to start here. 

It has to start with self, because the way that we treat ourselves is going to, you know, it's going to become how we treat others, especially when we're pushed, especially when we're squeezed, like Wayne Dyer's orange analogy. You know, what's inside of an orange is what comes out, and so when you get squeezed, what's inside of you is what comes out. So if you have all this hatred and judgment and fear, then when life pushes you and your challenge, that's going to come out too. So you know, I can do nothing for you but work on myself. It's Ram Dass right, and you can do nothing for me but work on yourself. 

I really think that that is so true. And just like the Dalai Lama's, you know, if everybody could meditate on compassion, this is one of those practices that could change the world if we just started to pay attention to what's going on in our thoughts and how we feel in our bodies and start to shift. That and that's one of Louise's practices were so key. And I heard that you really had to watch yourself talk around her, because she'd call you out on it, like if you were speaking in self-defeating ways. She'd be like you know she would. 

0:31:24 - Diane Ray

Absolutely. I remember well there's times, like in meetings, if someone would say well, if we do this, you know it's like killing birds, killing two birds with one stone. Well, who wants to do that? Why would you want to kill two birds? Or she was just very, very aware. Another time I had the sciatic back issue going on. So I was limping around the office and she comes up to me and kind of grabbed my arm. She goes you know you're not being supported and that's what's going on with your back and I thought about it. I go you know you're right, I'm not being supported in certain things. And you know I forget. She said here you need to start saying this affirmation. And you know not that saying the affirmation magically cured the sciatica, because it didn't, but it just got me thinking about. You know, okay, maybe if I shift a little bit about how I'm thinking about things or look for more support, so yeah, she would call you on that just automatically. If you said something that had a negative spin to it, she didn't like it, yeah. 

0:32:35 - Nadia

Okay, so you came to work for hey House. Were you working with Wayne Dyer from the beginning? Like, how did that all come together? 

0:32:44 - Diane Ray

Well, I was brought on as because really when Reed started hey House Radio, nobody had a quote like radio background, you know. So I tried to bring my experience from my years working in radio to. I wanted the network to sound like a radio network. I wanted to have promos and sweepers and, you know, kind of bring that, that feel and an aesthetic and all that. So I wanted it to sound not cheesy, I wanted it to sound really like a real radio network. So I did a lot. 

I did a lot of work on that in the beginning, summer McStrabic got everything launched, you know. So she was really instrumental in getting everything started and she I even forget how that actually came about she had asked me one day she goes you know I'm going to be doing some other things because she had been hosting or kind of co-hosting the show with Wayne in the beginning. And then she asked me if I wanted to do it and I said, yeah, of course I'll do it. So I did and then we just kept doing it and that went on for eight years. And then I also did another show I can't remember if it was before or after on that Monday I think Monday before I would do an interview show, just interviewing Hay House authors about their new books and things like that, and then I would do the show with Wayne. So Mondays was like the on air day, and then I would just be able to have fun. 

So yeah, it just kind of started, you know, synchronistically, and she asked me if I wanted to do it and I said yes, can't turn down. 

0:34:25 - Nadia

So did you get sure? 

0:34:30 - Diane Ray

Why would you want to? 

0:34:31 - Nadia

Right, yeah, of course. So did you get more into all of these subjects and these ideas after becoming a part of the Hay House team. 

0:34:41 - Diane Ray

Oh sure, I mean it definitely opened up the door even more. I mean, I was always interested in spirituality and so and paranormal and afterlife and the other side. So then when I got to work with these amazing mediums like John Holland, even Sylvia Brown in the very beginning Doreen Burt, you was a big presence at the time, you know becoming more aware of angels and things like that. Although I have to admit I've never seen an angel, I think some have interceded in certain things, but they haven't made themselves visibly known. I would like to see that at some point. I'm still holding out hope that I will get to see one. So being able to talk to some of those people and seeing some some incredible things. 

I mean I've seen John Holland do some amazing demonstrations that just blew my mind. I had no idea how he would ever know, how he knew that, unless he got it from the other side Sandra Antaylor and her sister. She has a twin sister who's a medium named Sharon Klingler, and I had a reading with her, with Sharon sick, because Sandra does more kind of energy work and quantum healing and things like that. She's like oh, you need to talk to my sister. You know she teaches at Lilydale, which is an amazing spiritualist camp in upstate New York I shouldn't say camp, it's like a city, a town now and I just had this amazing reading with Sharon where she brought up memories of things that I had never even told people and things about my mother that nobody else knew, and it was just like an incredible affirmation of that life does continue in a different form or consciousness after we leave these physical bodies. So it was just more of a reaffirming of that in a deeper way. 

0:36:40 - Nadia

Oh, I believe that for sure. I mean, I think that energy is information and energy is everywhere. I don't think we're limited to five senses at all. I think that we're all picking up on stuff that maybe we're not as attuned to or we don't understand. Or if we don't believe it, then we're kind of ignoring those sensations and we don't explore them. But I do think that we continue after this life. I think that they do still connect with us in some way and that we I think we can all receive that. Some people are just more sensitive to it. What's? 

interesting is those people who work as mediums and readers and all of those things tend to be more sensitive. And that's one in general, and that's one of the things I learned from Kyle Gray is that being aware of your own emotions is key to receiving that information. And how many people suppress all of that, suppress what they're feeling, they filter it into what's acceptable and what's not acceptable. But I really think that if we were attuned, it's just like animals animals know things. If a woman's going into labor right the animals will start acting weird in the home, like a day before anybody knows anything is going on, or if there's a storm coming, and I think they're just, they're attuned to energies of things that we've become sort of de-desensitized to. But I'm fascinated by all of those. Me too, I love all those things. 

0:38:10 - Diane Ray

That's why I still want to want to talk about it and I think you're right that many mediums have said we all have that ability. Sonya Chouquette were six sensory beings and I think that's very true and the more you pay attention to it and cultivate it and become aware, the more psychic you can be. I may not be able to connect with people on the other side. Maybe I can, I don't know. I mean, I think we've all had dreams of loved ones who've passed. I know I've had some vivid dreams after my mother passed that I think were a visit, a visitation from her. But yeah, the more, the more we're aware and we tune into those things and those feelings and we tap into our intuition, then I think the better off, the better off will be if we can trust your intuition more Trust it. 

0:39:04 - Nadia

Yeah, I think we're trying to do that. We're more receptive when we're asleep and I think that's how they can sort of communicate with us, just because we're open to it. Do you remember the talk between Wayne Dyer and Esther Hicks, who was channeling Abraham? Yes, very much. I can't remember the title of that one now, but you know he was asking like well, I wake up at 313 in the morning. Why is Spirit waking me up at 313 in the morning? What is it about that? And she went. She's like well, what's interesting is that they're talking to you all the time. So why is it that you're listening at 313 in the morning? But it's not that like Spirit is necessarily like trying to get our attention. It's more like when are you the quietest, the most receptive, the less busy with your day? Which is why I think a morning meditation or like an evening meditation practice can be so beneficial, because you can get into that quiet space. 

0:40:06 - Diane Ray

Right and the gap. Like David G would say, that's who taught me how to really meditate was David G, and he did a radio show on Hay House radio for a long time as a wonderful teacher and friend and I learned so much from him just being able to incorporate a meditation practice in some way. And even if you are just, I like to walk, so I'll do walks, you know a meditative walk and rather than sit, and that works really well for me. 

So I I guess I learned to be a little more accepting to myself of how I could incorporate a practice into my life, because sometimes you think, oh, I can only meditate, I have to sit here and sit on a cushion and be cross legged and, you know, have your hands in a mood, run all that, and it doesn't have to be that orchestrated or planned, you know. So I've learned ways to incorporate that more and it's been, it's been really helpful and I and now that you're talking about it, I need to do it more, I need to meditate more Because you, you get more answers that way. 

0:41:14 - Nadia

It's an ebb and flow for me, for sure, and the times that I'm feeling the most connected is is when I make the space for actually listening, making the space for listening and then and then everything else flows better. I think I posted something recently that said you know, ego says when I get everything in line, then I'll feel peace, and spirit says find your peace, and then everything will fall into line. 

0:41:38 - Diane Ray

And it does, it does. 

0:41:41 - Nadia

That's such a good reminder. 

0:41:43 - Diane Ray

It's so true and it's so amazing in in doing anything new or tackling anything that's frightening. I remember asking Louise hey, like how did? How? Did you launch a business in your 60s to become an international publishing company and do all this? Where? Especially for women? Oh, you're in, forget it. You're in your 40s. You're over the hill, you're in your 60s and you're starting a business. That's unbelievable, mind blowing. And she would say I, I opened the mail and I answered the phone. I said that's that's what you did. 

She's she's like well, when you're on your path and you're moving towards what you're supposed to do, when you do those tasks every day, people will come to you. If you're on, if you're on point, you know. If you're on your path and you're doing what's in your heart that you want to do, things will happen. And she's and she's so right. And I've always thought that when I get scared or afraid, or who do I think I am to have a, launch a network or do the do this project or things that you're afraid because I'm afraid like everybody else, people think yeah, I have a friend that says, oh, you know what you're doing. I'm thinking well, not really. He's like you know I'm figuring things out as I go. You know I don't have it all planned out, it's not going to happen. So I always think of Louise, like what would Louise do? Well, she would just keep on doing it. Just keep on keeping on. And you know in your heart that you're doing what you want to do and that this is how things are going to work out. And just being and being aware of synchronistic things. 

Like I was just recently at this big podcast conference with my business partner and there was a certain person that we really were not sure we were going to meet and we wanted to meet and just by chance, we stayed in a certain place for like five minutes extra. 

I said, oh, I need to get a drink, I'm going to come right back, just wait for me. And then I looked over and there they were, that person, and even she said, because she's very connected to Tina, my business partner, and she said you know, spirit had us wait here for another five minutes, so we would run into this person, you know. So when those things happen, because it's a huge, there's three or 4,000 people at this event and we didn't know for sure if we were going to run into this person and we did because we both have we happened to stay there. It was like, yeah, it was supposed to be, we're supposed to meet that person at that time. So I try to remember those, or be aware of those little little events when they happen, and be grateful for them and say, oh, and notice them right. 

0:44:12 - Nadia

Notice it trusting that something bigger is moving the pieces around right or that there's this momentum that's happening in the background. I mean, I definitely feel that and I think that I I silently set sort of an intention in my heart. Whether I know I'm doing it or not, I'm always setting an intention about what I'm open to, what I'm ready for, what I want more of, what I maybe want to change in my life, and sometimes, even without taking conscious action on all of it, things start to move in that direction. I've definitely been feeling momentum lately and the big thing for me is joining your amazing podcast, yeah, mindbodyspirit.fm. So what made you want to start this podcast network in the first place? 

0:45:01 - Diane Ray

Well, that was an offshoot, I guess, of working with Unity online radio. The Unity organization is an amazing organization. They're a spiritual group. They kind of like to think of themselves as spiritual, not religious. They're kind of they're Christian based, but they don't believe that you're a horrible person, that you have to turn yourself over to someone else for salvation or anything else for salvation, that you are always surrounded by God and it's just a beautiful philosophy. If you go to a Unity church and there's a bunch of them all over the country you might see or hear in a service that Lao Tzu said this, the Buddha said this, Paul from Corinthian said this Unity pulls from all of the spiritual traditions and kind of weaves it together in a very beautiful way based on the Fillmore teachings. Anyway, that's a quick Unity lesson. 

But I met my business partner, Tina, through working with Unity online radio. 

We kind of relaunched that platform and moved them into some different areas, got them more into podcasting, got them on a better delivery platform and she was working in sales and working with Unity magazine and sales and she's got some amazing, amazing experience in sales and marketing, was actually at one point the VP of marketing for Mark Cuban for broadcast.com when he sold that company for billions with a B. 

So she has a lot of amazing experience and we just we hit it off from the beginning the get go, although they were very different people, and we both kind of came together and said you know, we see an opportunity in the podcasting world to do this, because there were certain teachers that weren't really wouldn't really fit on Unity Online Radio, Like you had to kind of have a balance there. And so we thought, okay, well, let's do this kind of pulling what I knew from Hay House Radio and everything I learned over that period of time. And so we launched it with one person. We had Angel Talk with Rachel Corpus and then we just built it to, you know, clawed our way. 

One person after another, after another and learned a lot over the past three years and now we're coming up to, you know, hopefully 60 and counting maybe by the beginning of next year, of people on the platform and we're just really clear of the kind of people that we want to work with. We want no conspiracy theorist, we want no, you know, craziness, but we want to be a place for people to find anything mind and body and spirit. So we have, you know, some mental health shows. We have a recovery show like a sober living from a spiritual perspective, some LGBTQ health and wellness, alternative health, spirituality, some mediums, because what I saw at Hay House Radio was like people that would come in and were huge Wayne Dyer fans and loved his teachings. They'd also look over and, hmm, what's Carolyn May's teaching? Or what's Carl Gray teaching, or what's going on with John Holland? 

So I think that there's crossover and that people can share ideas in a positive way for things that could help. You know, we all need some help in some way. So that's what we're trying to build. It's kind of a unique mix of content, but I think it's something that people really need now. So that's what we're building. Oh, it's something I resonate with a lot. 

0:48:32 - Nadia

I mean, that's why I'm here. Not only do I love you and I love Wayne and Hay House and all of that, but you know, the vision I think that you have for this network is totally up my alley. Like I'm always interested in learning new things and seeing what people are talking about my the whole reason I do this podcast is because I just love being part of the conversation. You know, I don't claim to be an expert or have all the answers for anybody. I'm a seeker, just like everybody else, you know. But I love being in this space where we can connect in this way and we can talk about interesting things and see what other people are talking about and get ideas from one another on really just, you know, improving our lives and coming to know, like, who we are on a deeper level, and so, yeah, I'm very excited about it. Now, you have a long background in radio. 

0:49:29 - Diane Ray

Yes. 

0:49:30 - Nadia

What made you want to get into radio in the first place and like, how old were you? 

0:49:36 - Diane Ray

Well, when I was in high school I worked at Peaches Records, which was the best job ever. If I could blink my eyes and go back in time, I would love to be back at Peaches Records where I got free records. It was the best thing. And I'm talking the round things with holes in it. You know, there were records then. Then it became CDs. So I just I've always loved music, so that kind of sucked me in. 

And when I was at Peaches Records this is the genesis of my whole career was at the end of the shift at night I would get on the loudspeaker and I'd say attention, peaches shoppers, please bring your final purchases to the counter. And so my coworkers would say, oh, you have a really great voice, you should be in radio. I'm like, what Cause I? When I was in college which I never finished, I'm a huge college failure I thought, okay, I'm gonna be a journalist. You know, I'm gonna be a newspaper writer cause I love to write too. And then that never happened. I got sucked into radio. And then from Peaches Records, then I started doing a radio show on this community station in Miami and it was called seriously, WDNA was the call letters of this radio station and it was a community volunteer station. So there was a bunch of weird misfits like me and I would come in with my little Peach Creative Records and I did a jazz show because that was the only slot that was open to go. We're gonna have a jazz show here. Do you want to do that? Knowing nothing about jazz, but I worked at the record store, sure, I'll do a jazz show. So I learned a lot about jazz. I played all kinds of weird music and then that kind of grew from there and I worked radio in Miami, Fort Lauderdale, my hometown, for WSHE Big 106. Then I went to Austin, Texas. I worked for a network there recording shows for stations all over the country, then went back to Florida and I worked at this flame throwing Rock 105 station with Lex and Terry on their morning show. So I've done like a little bit of everything. 

And the peak of my morning show career was one morning. It was in Jacksonville, Florida, for Lex and Terry and they were doing a thing with Bill Murray the actor. So Bill Murray came in the station. He was wandering around like opening sales offices sticking his head in. People are freaking out. Bill Murray came in. A stripper came in and saying happy birthday to his brother. And then another guy came in with a live tiger and I thought, okay, this is it. My radio career is not gonna get better than this. Bill Murray, a stripper and a live tiger this is the apex. It's like a circus show. 

It was a circus show and it was so fun. And then I came to San Diego and I was working for a rock station here, KGB, and then, like many people, many radio personalities, eventually we all get fired for budget cuts. So I was part of a big bloodletting at Clear Channel, went to PBS and that's what I was saying at the beginning oh, my career's over, because I came where there was tigers and strippers and Bill Murray, and now I'm at PBS. This is it, my career's over. And then I saw the ad for Hay House and then it opened up a whole other world. 

0:52:53 - Nadia

And now I have a podcast network. 

0:52:55 - Diane Ray

So just kind of follow the breadcrumbs of life and see where it leads. 

0:53:02 - Nadia

So do you think that podcasting is a sort of evolution in the line of radio broadcasting? Like, how does it compare, cause radio has been around for so long and it used to be the main really source of entertainment. So how do podcasts compare to radio? 

0:53:22 - Diane Ray

That's a good question, because I remember in the beginning when podcasts were kind of just bubbling and becoming a thing and I thought, oh, podcast is just a radio show. It is, but it isn't. It's a little different. I think what I love about podcasting is kind of what I loved about radio is that I think it's a very personal medium. It's a way you can communicate in a personal way. You're right there in their ears. 

And podcasting, I think, is kind of the wild west right now where anybody can do a podcast. Anybody Now should they all Probably not. But I mean, the opportunity is there. You can get started very inexpensively and pretty easily with just a little mic set up in your laptop and you can express yourself. And I think there's topics. I'm sure there's a knitting podcast fish crocheting, cooking eggs, I mean any like niche thing you can think of. There's a podcast for somebody that will listen to that. So I think that's what's cool is the independent spirit of it, that anybody can have a voice if they want it. And again, maybe not everyone should, but they can if they want to. 

0:54:42 - Nadia

It's up to us to find the good stuff or what resonates for us. Right, I mean yeah, there is something for everybody out there and everybody talking about something. It's funny because I remember in 2020 with the pandemic and everybody stuck at home and people were joking oh, don't start a podcast and don't cut bangs right, like don't give yourself bangs. 

And that's when I started a podcast was 2020, but it's funny because it had kind of been in the works for a year or two. I'd been thinking about starting a podcast and then actually I think I was looking for something positive to put my energy into, because I didn't want to, just like, sit there and watch the news about the death count and the abysmal forecast, and at first we thought we were gonna be in lockdown for two weeks and then it went on for a month and by the time it was like another month. I was like, okay, I got to do something positive and I started thinking about that podcast idea again. So, yes, I'm one of those pandemic podcast but I'm still here. 

0:55:50 - Diane Ray

So right, some of us are still here, You're still here not only that, and you've built an amazing community of people that resonate with Wayne's teachings and they resonate with you and that's a beautiful thing. That's just grown. So I'm excited about the future. I mean, I do still miss live radio. I mean there is something about being live on the air, especially in your hometown, which was so much fun and so much great energy and I have a lot of amazing memories of that time. 

And the radio industry grew and changed and then it became eight minutes of commercials and became very corporate and there was a lot of buying and selling of companies and things like that. And things change and my nature as a little cancer crab is to not like change. So sometimes I have to force myself to appreciate it and to kind of embrace change. So I'm kind of I'm interested to see what's gonna happen next. You know, I still think there's. I still have some friends in radio and I think there's still a place for that and I think that there's definitely a place and growth for what's going on with podcasting and it's growing and changing more and more. 

0:57:06 - Nadia

So keep looking there's gonna be more. 

0:57:09 - Diane Ray

There's gonna be like the podcast for rock collectors and everything you name it. 

0:57:16 - Nadia

We're gonna have a hundred people raise their hands and go. I already have one of those podcasts out there. 

0:57:22 - Diane Ray

Right, they do, they do. 

0:57:24 - Nadia

Yeah, so I've been thinking about all the guests that you used to have on Dr Dyer's show and I remember you know, at the beginning you were talking about how you started the format of the show, of talking about his books or specific ideas, and then he's like let's just take calls. And it just occurred to me recently that you know he was our professor of counseling psychology and he had his own practice and I think it's one of the things that informed the way that he writes his books and the way that he likes connecting with people. But it does feel like it was like little mini therapy sessions. Right, he's helping, he's taking people's questions and helping you kind of find another way of looking at it. Did you ever think about his psychology background as having a big influence? 

0:58:13 - Diane Ray

on the show. Oh yeah, and that's a great point, because he was. I mean, he had studied all of that and, like he had mentioned you know, the work of Maslow and you know I had never heard of Abraham Maslow. That's another person that Wayne turned me on to to start reading a lot of his stuff too. He loved to talk to people and he wanted to help them. He really did and it was. They were many sessions. A lot of times the radio shows would turn into many sessions and he would talk people through stuff and people would cry and really bear their souls. And we're just so happy to be in touch with him and I hope that he was really able to affect some people's lives and get them thinking. I've thought a lot about that's why I would just sit there and listen to him talking to people, because I would just get so much out of learning from what he was telling them would feed into my own life and it bled into a lot of things Like I would. 

I'd go to like a happy hour with the girls and I'd say you know, Dr. Dyer said this. Wayne said this, yeah, and I would share it because I just wanted them to benefit too. 

0:59:29 - Nadia

So now, years later, is there? Are there any of the callers that still stand out to you as memorable for either what they asked or how he responded to them? 

0:59:42 - Diane Ray

There's definitely a few, but the one that I think will always stand out is Anita Moorjani, because she was not an author or she was just a listener and a fan, and Wayne had read something that she wrote about her near-death experience on a website and he was so touched by what she wrote about her experience that he I don't know if he had reached out to her online, but she called into the radio show and I remember just seeing her name, Anita and Hong Kong, and I thought, wow, how cool, there's a call from Hong Kong. 

I'm taking that, you know, because I would always love to hear from people all over the world and I would get get such a kick out of that. So I said, okay, we're going to go to Anita all the way from Hong Kong. And he goes is this Anita, Anita Moorjani? And then he, you know, he remembered she had reached out to him through the website and it was just this amazing connection and then he brought her to read, to write about her experience, which became dying to be me and now she's an amazing teacher in her own right. So that that one always stands out. Because I just remember seeing Anita from Hong Kong. 

1:00:57 - Nadia

I thought, oh, I need to take that call. Yeah she. I think she came off as really shy at first too, and I think Wayne had kind of encouraged her to like come out on stage and share her story because he really believed in the message that she had. 

1:01:12 - Diane Ray

He discovered he definitely discovered her and another amazing story that he was so passionate about was Immaculee Ilibageza, and left to tell about the Rwandan genocide and just listening to her story and reading her book was unbelievable of how horrible people can be but yet how beautiful too. You know the black and white, I guess. I guess one can't exist without the other. 

1:01:45 - Nadia

Yeah, I met her. My sister and I went to see Wayne in Las Vegas, which was a really weird place to see Wayne Dyer speak, at least to me because like you're walking through the casinos and it's all just this like sensory overload, you know, and then you come into, like, ah, you know, like let's talk about spirit, and he had Immaculia Ilebaguiza with him and we bought her book there. 

1:02:15 - Diane Ray

Yeah, those are the, I Can Do It. They've started up again and this past year, I think, was the first one since the pandemic in Tampa, Florida. yeah really well attended, and so I'm happy to see that's coming back. I loved the Vegas events. I thought they were super fun, and actually the first time I went to Vegas was for a I can do an event and it was at the Venetian. And then when my husband and I wanted to get married in Vegas, I insisted that we stay at the Venetian because I loved it so much Beautiful that experience. 

That was when I had the Elvis. I remember telling Wayne about when we got married at the Viva Las Vegas wedding chapel and I got the Hound Dog package. And I remember telling Dr Dyer that I go, yeah, for 250 bucks and you can get married. You get a bouquet of flowers and a little stuffed Hound Dog. And he just thought that was so funny because at the time his daughter, Serena, was getting married. And he would just say like, not, not really so much on the air, but he's like, yeah, I'm just writing checks, writing checks, you know, for this big wedding. And I go, well, you know, you don't have to do that. You could do what I did and get the Hound Dog package. And he thought that was that was so funny. 

1:03:23 - Nadia

That's just the best name ever. Yeah, I'd like the Hound Dog package. 

1:03:27 - Diane Ray

Well, you can get that you could have got. You could get the Jimi Hendrix package. There were like different themes. I think one was even like a Kiss Jean Simmons package. I'm like, no, not that much of a Kiss fan. I said let's go traditional. So I picked the Elvis, which was the Hound Dog package. That's awesome, it was really fun. Yeah, it was, and we're still married, believe it or not. 

1:03:51 - Nadia

So the Hound Dog package works it did I mean there's testimony right there. 

1:03:57 - Diane Ray

It was fun. 

1:03:58 - Nadia

Yeah, no, I got to see him a few times. I saw him when he was here in Seattle. I got to go with my husband I'm not even sure if we were married then and it's like, oh, who's Wayne Dyer? Well, come with me, you know. But yeah, I've been a big fan for ages. But I talk about your voice being like forever connected to Wayne, and I know I'm certainly not the only one who feels that way. And his radio show the one you did together, of course, lives on in podcast form. I think they take clips from it now. So people are still discovering it. They're still listening to it. It's going to impact generations, which is so wonderful to see, and in my group, the Wayne Dyer wisdom community, I get people coming in all the time who are just discovering Wayne, and I know he would love that too, because the more people that we can reach, the more that we can shift things. 

1:04:56 - Diane Ray

He would love it. 

1:04:58 - Nadia

Yeah, well, of course, I think, like you said, he didn't have to keep doing what he was doing. He didn't have to keep doing the radio show, he didn't have to keep writing books. He did it because it was in him and he loved it and I think he really enjoyed connecting with people in that way. I mean I wish we could have kept him around longer. I was really surprised. 

I saw the Facebook post on his page one minute after it was posted, which was apparently his family saying that Wayne Dyer had died. And I didn't even know if it was real, because I'm like wait, this is on the official Wayne Dyer page. But you know, we've heard about death hoaxes and everything. So I'm looking on Google and I'm not finding anything. I start crying. I had my son with me. He was two, he just turned two, my little boy and I call my husband. He was out and I was like I think Wayne Dyer just died and he's like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. I'm like, but I don't even know if it's true, right, and then it was, I don't know, an hour or two later that the news started coming in. But one of the things that I have remembered all this time is your voice, right after he died, on that memorial episode, and I found it on your website, which was awesome. 

I saved it Because I was like, yes, this was it. This was the one that I still had Like, because I remember you talking about him right after he died and it was so emotional and it was so fresh. I mean, he died on the weekend and this was your Monday time slot for the show Like like, what were you feeling that day and what inspired you to go forward with the show? 

1:06:42 - Diane Ray

Well, first it was shock, like you said, because it was a similar thing where I had people were messaging me you better look on Facebook like what's going on. And I couldn't, I didn't believe it and it didn't really seem real until I got in my car that morning to drive to work and I was listening to NPR and they they made an announcement on NPR and they said and self-help, popular self-help guru and author, or something like that Dr Wayne Dyer has passed at whatever, I forget the age but you know like they're. 

They made an announcement on the radio. I'm like, well, that's my confirmation. And I was driving into work thinking, wow, what's going to happen? Because he was Hay House publishing, you know. Like he was the guy, and so I knew this was going to be just an incredible shift and change. And it really was. Things started to change and then after Louise passed and again like kind of embracing the change as companies, things morph and change, and so things, things shifted. 

But that day I just drove in and and I had a co-worker say, are you going to do the show? And for a second and I thought, yes, I said I'm going to do it. And then I said to Reed, I'm going to do the show today, I'm just going to let people talk. Because everybody was still in shock, like everyone at the office was still kind of numb, like what, and then it was sinking in. So I just said, well, if you haven't heard, you know we lost Dr Wayne Dyer and I didn't really have, I didn't really have anything planned, but I just wanted to open the phone lines. I said, if you want to talk about him and share a memory, then call in. 

And then just everybody started calling in and just let I just let people talk, you know, and shared some things that I felt and it was. It was pretty shocking but but it was so cool to hear everybody's stories and and how many people he had touched and how many people had a story about him that blew me away. I thought, wow, you know what a life, I mean, what a, what an amazing, amazing testimony to what you've done to have so many people be affected, total strangers, but they, they were touched in some way by your work and were affected. So it was pretty. It was a pretty incredible day and it's funny that you so I did like eight years of radio shows at Hay House and interviewed amazing people. 

And most of those shows I don't even know where they are, but I made sure I saved that show. That was the only one I really wanted to save. I saved a couple. I think there was like it's something that when Deepak came in, so I saved like a few episodes or interviews that were meant something to me, and that was one of them. 

I had to. I had to keep that. All the other ones... 

1:09:40 - Nadia

Well, thank you for doing that. They're around in some form or another, but and in our hearts, of course, but that that episode, I think, helped me process. You know, obviously we'd had confirmation by that point and I was processing it. Actually, this room that I'm in, it was a spare room in our house and the day after he died I turned this into my sacred space. We hadn't been in the house for very long, right, but he always talked about sacred space. I was like I don't have one anymore. 

So then I pulled out my collection of books and CDs and DVDs that I've collected from him and I bought some things that I hadn't gotten yet because I just I really wanted to dive back in and keep studying that. And that's why I started a group on Facebook, really just because I wanted to connect with people who, you know, felt the way that I did and I wanted to keep studying and it was kind of a way for me to keep my practice going. And this sacred space became my sacred office and everything that I've done in the year since have kind of grown out of this space. So I mean in a physical way and in a mental and emotional way, like so much of what I do, Wayne's influence has been foundational to that

1:11:00 - Diane Ray

And look at the community and tell people how many are in the community now. 

1:11:05 - Nadia

We have over a hundred thousand and growing all the time. You know the best thing for me is that I can pop in there anytime and talk about Wayne or share a quote or ask people questions and I know people are going to get it. Like, these are my people, because I don't have a lot of people who even know who Wayne Dyer is in my real life. So this is a wonderful space for me to just like, kind of be among like-minded, just heart-filled individuals, and that's I mean, that's where all of this comes from too, because I was meeting all these people who had incredible stories to share. 

I mean, everybody has a story and I wanted to bring them out into the world. So you've done an amazing job. Change Your Thoughts - Change Your Life. Well, thank you so much. Thank you so much, thank you, and thank you for bringing me into the mindbodyspirit.fm podcast network. I'm so excited for everything that's going to come in the future and that we got to sit down and really have a good talk about Wayne and your time at Hay House and just the incredible work that you're doing. You've touched many hearts and I'm one of them. 

1:12:15 - Diane Ray

Well, thank you so much. I appreciate it and we're so thrilled that you're a part of the network and everybody listening Just keep checking back. We're going to continue to grow. 

1:12:28 - Nadia

Great, yeah, thank you so much, and for all our listeners, thank you for following Change Your Thoughts - Change Your Life and telling your friends about it. Until next time, take care of yourself and take care of each other. Namaste. 

To learn more about this podcast, see upcoming events or book a private reading, you can visit my website at nadiadelacruz.com. We have a monthly spiritual discussion group and I would love for you to join us. You can also get the link to my YouTube channel with full video episodes and live recordings from the Wayne Dyer wisdom community. If you enjoyed this show, please leave me a review on Apple podcasts. Thank you so much for listening and I'll see you soon.